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Understanding Gross vs. Net Horsepower Ratings Print E-mail

Tags: emissions control | gross | horsepower | muscle cars | net

Written by Aaron Severson   
Tuesday, 15 April 2008 14:12

There are a lot of misunderstandings among car enthusiasts and historians about vintage horsepower ratings. It's easy to assume from a casual glance at ads or spec sheets that even quite ordinary American family sedans of the sixties were overwhelmingly powerful, with 300 horsepower or more, and yet by 1975, many of those same cars were down to 150 hp or less. When asked the reason for the huge difference, gearheads tend to shake their heads and mutter about emissions controls and anemic, low-octane unleaded gasoline -- which is true, but only partly.

What complicates the issue and makes apples-to-apples comparisons difficult is the fact that those pre-smog horsepower ratings were not calculated in the same way as modern engines. "A horsepower is a horsepower, right?" you say. While a horsepower, pre-smog or post, remains 746 watts (or 736, for metric horsepower), the way that output was measured has changed quite a bit.

Before 1972, most American engines were rated under the methodology laid out in Society of American Engineers (SAE) standards J245 and J1995, which calculated the output of a 'bare' engine on a test stand with no accessories, optimal ignition timing, free-flowing exhaust headers (no mufflers), with a correction factor for standard atmospheric conditions.

What does all that mean? The engine in your car is burdened with various engine-driven accessories, ranging from the engine's own oil and water pumps and generator/alternator to the power steering pump and air conditioning compressor, each of which consumes a certain amount of power. An engine in a passenger car also has mufflers and an exhaust system designed for quiet operation, rather than low back pressure, ignition is retarded to prevent detonation with pump gasoline, and the carburetor(s) or fuel injection system are aimed at fuel economy and driveability, not maximum power. The gross rating reflects none of these losses; it represents an engine's theoretical maximum output under ideal conditions, not how much power it actually produces when installed in a car.

As an example, Chevrolet's original small-block V8, which bowed for 1955, had a gross rating of 162 hp (121 kW) at 4400 rpm with a 8.0 compression ratio and a single two-barrel carburetor. Motor Life magazine reported in December 1954 that the factory quoted a net output of 137 hp (102 kW).

Until the mid-fifties, the gap between gross horsepower and as-installed output was not vast, but by the end of the decade advertised horsepower ratings far outstripped usable power. Significant inflation was clearly taking place, sometimes to the tune of 25-30%. Nothing in the SAE standards actually said that the calculated horsepower could be whatever the marketing department wanted it to be, but it might as well have, because that was what happened. If Chevrolet advertised 195 gross horsepower (145 kW) for its standard V8, for example, it was not difficult for Ford engineers to tweak their calculations to justify a rating of 200 hp (149 kW) for their standard engine.

By the same token, in the mid- to late sixties, it was also not uncommon for power ratings to be deliberately understated. For example, in 1965, Chevrolet released the 396 cu. in. (6.5 L) TurboJet V8 as an option for Corvettes, rated at 425 gross horsepower (317 kW). The following year, the engine was bored to 427 cubic inches (7.0 L), but its power rating remained suspiciously unchanged. (Indeed, some early GM promotional material credited the 427 with 450 gross horsepower (336 kW).) GM imposed corporate rules limiting all their cars except the Corvette to a maximum of one gross horsepower (0.75 kW) per 10 pounds (4.5 kg) of curb weight, leading to curious non sequiters like rating Pontiac's 3,300-pound (1,500 kg) Firebird at 325 hp (242 kW), while the identical engine in a 3,600-pound (1,635 kg) GTO claimed 360 hp (269 kW).

1966 Chevrolet Corvette Sting Ray 427 engine air cleaner
This is a 1966 Corvette 427 (7.0 L) L72 engine. Early literature credited the L72 with 450 hp (336 kW) at 6,400 rpm, but this as quickly amended to 425 hp (317 kW) at 5,600 -- the same horsepower as the previous year's 396 cu. in. (6.5L) L78. Contemporary reviewers were highly skeptical.

Why would a manufacturer underrate their engines? Particularly at GM, the most conservative of the automakers, there was real fear of the growing safety lobby, which already thought the amount of power the auto industry offered in its cars was uneemly. In that climate, advertising a 500-horsepower (373-kW) Corvette or 400-horsepower (298 kW) GTO seemed like asking for trouble. Insurance was also becoming an issue, with a growing number of insurance companies levying prohibitive surcharges on very powerful cars (or simply refusing to offer coverage at all).

Another concern was racing. Eligibility for different drag strip classes was based on power-to-weight ratio, calculated using advertised horsepower and shipping weight. If an engine produced more power than its rating, it would have a competitive advantage. This type of underrating was at best an open secret. Testing a Pontiac GTO Judge equipped with the $390 Ram Air IV engine, for example, Car Life magazine noted that the division's own executives freely admitted the 370 hp (276 kW) gross rating was purely a fiction to satisfy insurance companies and their corporate superiors. As a result, racing officials frequently "factored" underrated engines for the purposes of classification; Chrysler's very strong 340 cu. in. (5.6 L) engine, for example, carried a conservative 275 hp (205 kW) rating from the factory, but the NHRA treated it as a 325-hp (242-kW) engine for racing purposes.

Between inflation and deliberate underrating, by 1970, the relationship between advertised gross horsepower and actual power was at best nebulous. The gross ratings served a variety of political and marketing purposes, but they were far from useful as a realistic measure of engine output.

Starting in 1971, manufacturers began to lower compression ratios and de-tune their engines to prepare for the advent of unleaded gasoline. Both the early emission-control systems (air-injection pumps, exhaust gas recirculation) and the reduced compression ratios made engines perceptibly less powerful, whether those losses were reflected in the gross power ratings or not.

Faced with this reality, along with the pressures of the safety and environmental lobby, domestic manufacturers decided it was time to abandon the gross rating system. In its place they adopted the SAE net rating methodology, described by SAE standard J1349. "Net" horsepower ratings are still made with the engine on a test stand, but with stock ignition timing, carburetion, exhaust, and accessories -- in short, a closer approximation of how much power an engine produces as actually installed in the car. (SAE net horespower does NOT, contrary to some assumptions, measure horsepower at the drive wheels; both gross and net ratings are at the flywheel, and don't reflect power losses in the drivetrain.)

The result of the new rating system was a dramatic drop in advertised power. The Cadillac Eldorado's mammoth 500 cu. in. (8.2L) V-8, for instance, dropped from 400 gross horsepower (298 kW) in 1970 to 360 gross horsepower (269 kW) in 1971, a drop of about 10%. The rated horsepower of the 1972 version was only 235 net horsepower (175 kW), even though the engine itself was basically unchanged. (Although GM did not quote a net horsepower rating for the higher-compression 1970 engine, it was probably 275-285 hp (205-213 kW).) On paper, though, output had been cut by 35%.

Because of the vagaries of the old gross standards, there is no precise formula for converting gross to net or vice versa. Some 1971 engines carried both gross and net ratings, but for earlier or later years, the best you can do is make an approximation based on state of tune and real-world performance testing.

Why was this change made? The most obvious reason was as an inexpensive PR gesture; overnight, the carmakers made it clear that they were no longer offering irresponsible levels of horsepower, without making any expensive engineering changes whatsoever. Beyond that, the switch in ratings made it easier for salesmen to obfuscate the actual loss of power caused by reduced compression and smog control hardware -- useful when trying to explain to a customer why the 1972 Cadillac he's looking at seems to have 40% less power than the 1970 he's trading in.

By the end of the decade, the big drops in horsepower were no longer just on paper. For example, Pontiac's 455, which as late as 1973 had produced a conservative 310 net horsepower (231 kW), could muster only 200 (149 kW) by the time it faded out in 1976. Ford's 4.9 L V8, which had made as much as 306 gross horsepower (228 kW) in the sixties, had plummeted by 1979 to less than 140 net horsepower (104 kW).

While the late sixties were a golden age of horsepower compared to the late seventies or early eighties, the differences weren't quite as vast as they appear at first blush. A '67 Impala with the 396, rated 325 gross horsepower (242 kW), probably had something like 220 net horsepower (164 kW) in pure stock form -- decent, but no muscle car.

The net rating system was used until 2005, when the SAE issued standard J2723, eliminating a number of loopholes in the existing methodology and requiring an independent observer be present when the ratings are measured. Under these new "SAE-certified output" guidelines, some engines ended up with lower ratings (Toyota's 1MZ-FE engine, the 3.0L V-6 in the previous-generation Camry, dropped from 210 to 190 hp (157 to 142 kW) under the new system), while a few actually rose (Cadillac's supercharged Northstar went from 440 to 469 hp (328 to 350 kW)). The engines were not actually altered in any way -- the testing methodology had just changed. The new rating method is voluntary, but most, if not all, manufacturers now use it for their U.S. market cars.

Most European manufacturers, incidentally, rate power under the DIN (Deustches Institut für Normung, German Institute for Standardization) methodology, sometimes also quoting metric horsepower rather than English. Japanese companies in the home market use JIS (Japanese Industrial Standards) rules, which are similar to DIN. The DIN standards haven't changed that much over the years, so if you find old road tests quoting output in DIN-rated horsepower, those numbers are much more comparable to modern ratings than contemporary SAE numbers. Modern DIN, JIS, and SAE-certified ratings for an identical engine tend to vary slightly, but the distinction is not huge -- perhaps 1-2% -- and owes more to the difference between metric and English horsepower. (A metric horsepower, often abbreviated PS, is about 736 watts, whereas an English horsepower is 746 W).
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Comments (15)
  • keith

    i have a car title for a 1969 chevelle malibu that says it has 48 horsepower can you tell me what size engine that is and what the real horsepower is it is a missouri title thanks for any help you can give

  • Administrator

    That sounds like a taxable horsepower rating, using the old RAC (Royal Auto Club) formula. In Britain (and a few U.S. states, I think), your license tax was based on that formula, which was equal to the square of the cylinder bore times the number of cylinders, divided by 2.5. Assuming this is a V8, that means a bore of 3.875 inches. Chevy only offered one V8 with that bore in 1969, the 307 that was standard in V8 Chevelles.

    As for its real output, Chevrolet rated it at 200 gross horsepower at 4,600 rpm and 300 lb-ft of torque at 2,400 rpm. That was for a bare engine on a test stand, so the real, as-installed output would be less. There's no precise formula to convert gross ratings to modern net figures, but it would be something in the neighborhood of 130-140 horsepower.

  • Nef  - Whats real horse power of 1972 Cutlass S

    Does anyone really know how many horses the 350 rocket engine 4 barrel have? For the 1972 Cutlass S 350 5.7 L 4 BBl.

  • Administrator

    The 1972 Olds 350-4V was rated at 180 hp @ 4000 rpm and 275 lb-ft @ 2800 rpm. Both are SAE net ratings (Oldsmobile switched in 1972), so they should be reasonably comparable to modern power figures.

  • jayjay  - New SAE ratings

    Most drops in horsepower from the revised 2005 standards are not from manufacturers cheating in the testing, but because of engines designed to run on premium gas. Yes, there were upwards of 5 horsepower lost from changes in testing methods, but most came from lower octane gas.

    The 1MZ-FE for example, is still a 205 horsepower engine with the new testing methods. However, run with regular gas it will only make 190. The new standards allow manufactures to use premium gas in testing engines designed for premium, ONLY if the owner's manual explicitly states premium only.

    For marketing purposes, Toyota wasn't about to state that the engine in the country's top selling sedan required premium gas. The manual just states that premium should be used for optimum performance and efficiency. The knock sensors and control module safely allow the engine to run on regular gas at the expense of performance and economy.

  • Darrow_for_the_Prosecution  - New SAE Ratings

    jayjay,

    Just read your article on the various HP productions of the Toyota 1MZ-FE engine. I find nothing TECHNICALLY wrong with your analysis but your total statement leaves a distorted impression for the "great unwashed" in the HP bragging rights department.

    That distortion is this, (and I paraphrase) "higher octane gasoline, as a commodity, contains more HP." This is patently not true and if you were talking about prescription medication the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) would be all over you.

    A gallon of gasoline from any given refined crude product will have "X" amount of btu's (heat value) generally pegged at 112,000 btu per gallon. HP is directly derived from the production of heat in the combustion chamber.

    From your over simplified comment it would appear that HP gains in any particular engine can be accomplished by the introduction of higher octane gasoline. Generally speaking, and for the most part, this is not a true statement.

    The engine mentioned in your article has a fixed compression ratio. All things being equal, a higher compression ratio engine will produce more HP for a given gallon of gasoline than a lower compression one. Ergo, the engine can only produce a fixed amount of HP, (assuming a particular tune and compression ratio)

    In the case of the engine cited (and most modern computer controlled ignition engines) the retarded timing protocol will back off timing when the knock sensor indicates preignition, permitting the engine to operate safely at a lower HP output.

    What is happening here is the REALIZATION, or EXTRACTION of more heat in the higher octane rated gasoline, than in lower octane rated gas. I.E., higher compression ratio engines can extract MORE heat from a gallon of gasoline because they can WITHSTAND the increased compression ratio due to the "anti-knock" characteristic of high octane gasoline, NOT the implied fact that high octane gasoline has more heat (HP) in it.

    The use of lower octane fuel in this scenario causes the timing to be retarded (as you noted) to compensate for preignition. Toyota is right on the edge here with the truth of their engine. The higher CR PERMITS more power production but requires more expensive, higher octane, fuel. Less expensive fuel (lower octane) can be used ONLY because the timing protocol will be invoked. (similar to the old days when an engine was tuned -spark retarded- by the local mechanic to run on poor quality gasoline. (spelled cheaper) NOW, the mechanic is replaced by the computer...instantly.

    It is a "WASTE" of money and efficiency to run higher octane fuel in an engine whose compression ratio is below the knock level (8.5-9.0) of the 87 octane rating posted on the pump. No HP gains are possible when doing this. (assuming a standard tune).

    You buy HP at the dealership, NOT at the pump.

    Darrow...for the Prosecution

  • Nick

    so would the 1972 500ci eldorado caddi have around the same net horsepower as the 71 would if they had used SAE ratings in 71?
    and would the torque be the same also?

  • Administrator

    Yup. Cadillac issued both net and gross figures for 1972, which were 365 hp and 535 lb-ft SAE gross, 235 hp and 385 lb-ft SAE net. They quoted the same figures for both 1971 and 1972, in this instance.

  • patrick  - hp

    How much hp. does an 02 firebird with a 3.8l have?

  • Administrator

    My recollection (without digging through old magazines) is 200 net horsepower. Other GM cars with the normally aspirated 3800 in that era were around 200-205 hp, so it should be in that range.

  • Sam  - 1972 cutty

    I have a 72 cutlass supreme with a 455 7.5L. What is th HP from the factory? How can I wake this sleeping giant ?

  • R,Solhaug


    Not true. While the 71 500cui is still basicly the same proud enegine as it was the year before, the 72 was a victim for the new low-emission/low octane thinking.

    From the outside you couldn`t see any difference, but the compression weas lowered this year by adding soap-cup pistons, and to match the lowered compression they`ve made up a new low-performance camshaft with low lift and extreme slow lobes. On top of that the exhaust-flow was reduced by a the new EGR-system.

    Want to know more, check out Potter Automotive!

  • Administrator

    The information I have says EGR wasn't added until 1973 (except maybe in California), and the rated compression ratio was the same from 1971 to 1973, dropping a quarter of a point for 1974. (I do know there can be a significant difference between quoted and actual compression ratios.) I don't have camshaft specs for those engines -- if you do, I'd love to see them.

    The quoted net output remained 235 hp/385 lb-ft through 1973, dropping to 210/380 for 1974 and 190/360 for 1975.

    Please note, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you that the '72 engines were less powerful, I'm just saying the figures Cadillac quoted in its official specifications for power, torque, and compression were the same as in 1971.

  • Roy  - AMC 360 true hp?

    Hey, i have a 84' Jeep J10 Pickup with the 360.
    now this is a quote from wikipedia:

    The AMC 360 had a displacement of 359.80 CID (5,896.1 cc).[5] The 2-barrel produced 235 hp (175 kW) to 245 hp (183 kW) in 1970 to early 71 while the 4-barrel produced 285 hp (213 kW) to 295 hp (220 kW), 175 hp (130 kW) to 220 hp (164 kW) from mid-1971 to 1975, 140 hp (104 kW) to 180 hp (134 kW) in 1976, 129 hp (96 kW) in 1977, and 160 hp (119 kW) from 1978 to 1991.

    in 76' it only had 129 hp from a 5.9 litre engine? and 80's 160.

    i dont know what to belive, and find it hard to belive that its possible to make a engine with this displacement and only make 160 hp at the flywheel. and only 129 in 76' thats only 27 more than my 2 litre carb Nissan. 129? with a engine 3 times as large. and the 360 uses WAY more fuel, over twice as much in fact.

  • Administrator

    The earliest figures for the 360 (1970-1971) are SAE gross numbers, so those are harder to compare directly to the post-1972 figures. However, all the later numbers are SAE net, so there aren't any issues of conversion or rating systems (there have been some changes to the SAE net measurements in the past decade, but I don't think there were any between 1972 and 1984).

    The later figures are reasonably typical for early emissions-controlled engines. For comparison, a 1976 Chevrolet 350 was rated at 165 net horsepower, while the Mopar 360 was rated at 170 or 175 horsepower. Even the big blocks were way down on power -- the 500 cu. in. Cadillac engine was down to 190 hp by 1975, and late Mopar 440s rated only 195 hp.

    The main issue was trying to meet federal (and California) emissions standards with carbureted, non-computer-controlled engines that in most cases hadn't originally been designed for the new standards. Moreover, it wasn't just a matter of meeting the standard with one engine in one car at a time -- every engine had to comply, despite normal production variations, and you had to prove that they would continue to do so for 50,000 miles. Eventually, automakers figured out how to meet the standards without compromising power so severely (thanks in part to the widespread adoption of fuel injection and computer controls), but in the short term, many opted for a very mild state of tune to make sure they met the requirements.

    In terms of specific output (horsepower per cubic inch or liter), bigger engines tended to suffer more than smaller ones. The earliest federal emissions standards were based on percentages of exhaust volume (parts per million), but by the late seventies, the standards were for total output (grams per mile or kilometer), which gave smaller-displacement engines an advantage. That's one of the reasons the big block engines nearly died out, except in trucks -- the smog-controlled big engines still had more torque, but they didn't necessarily make much more power than smaller ones, and they were potentially a lot thirstier.

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