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The Forgotten Ferrari: The Dino 308GT4 Print E-mail
Written by Aaron Severson   
Monday, 22 September 2008 00:13

This week's subject is probably the most obscure of all Ferrari road cars. In fact, a fair number of histories of the marque omit it entirely -- which is odd, because it was one of the best-selling cars Ferrari S.p.A. ever built. On the other hand, for the first few years of its existence, it was not officially a Ferrari at all. We're talking about the often-overlooked Dino 308 GT4.


1975 Dino 308 GT4 badge

IL COMMENDATORE

Enzo Ferrari was born in Modena, Italy in February 1898. After an inglorious stint during the First World War as a mule-shoer for the Italian army, he sought work in the automobile industry. By the 1920s he had become a racing driver for Alfa Romeo, and in 1929, founded Scuderia Ferrari (roughly, "Team Ferrari") as the factory-sponsored Alfa racing team. In the late thirties, Alfa reclaimed direct control over its racing efforts, reducing Ferrari's leadership to a subordinate position. This naturally sat ill with the stubborn, mercurial Ferrari, and he was finally fired from Alfa in November 1938.

A little less than a year later, Ferrari established his own manufacturing firm, Auto-Avio Costruzioni di Ferrari Enzo. Although his severance agreement with Alfa forbade him from manufacturing or racing cars under his own name for a period of four years, Ferrari's company anonymously constructed a pair of racers for the 1940 Mille Miglia, Italy's thousand-mile road race. Scarcely six weeks later, Italy was plunged into World War Two, bringing racing to a halt. Ferrari was put to work manufacturing war materiel, and was later forced to move his works from Modena to Maranello, in the vain hopes of evading Allied bombardment.

After the war, Ferrari was left discouraged and disillusioned. According to legend, it was only the persuasion of his old friend, racing champion Luigi "Iron Man" Chinetti, that convinced him to return to building cars. The first new car to wear Enzo's name, the 12-cylinder Type 125S, made its public debut in May 1947, beginning a long line of Ferrari cars.

DINO FERRARI

By most accounts, Il Commendatore, as Enzo was known (having been granted that title by the Italian government in 1928), was a difficult man to get along with. He had a towering ego, a ferocious temper, and a vast appetite for self-promoting melodrama. Like many domineering men of his stripe, Enzo's primarily sentimental weakness was his almost mawkish adoration of his son, Alfredo. Alfredo Ferrari, born in 1932, was Enzo's only legitimate son; his birth had ended Enzo's career as a race driver. The elder Ferrari doted on the boy -- known familiarly as Alfredino, or just Dino -- whom Enzo saw as his anointed successor, the one who would carry on his legacy.

In 1955, Enzo went so far as to give his son credit for setting the direction for a new V6 engine, a configuration about which the young man had written an article for a leading Italian automobile magazine. It's unclear exactly how much Dino actually contributed to the engine, which was mostly the work of veteran engine designers Vittorio Jano and Aurelio Lampredi, but Enzo always publicly insisted that it was Dino's concept.

Dino didn't live to see the finished product. He may have been as strong-willed as his father was, but the flesh was less robust. Dino suffered from muscular dystrophy (although according to author Brock Yates, some of Ferrari's associates suspected it was really syphilis, possibly congenital), which left him weak and often bedridden. He finally died on June 30, 1956, apparently of kidney failure. He was only 24 years old. Enzo was heartbroken, and his mourning continued for years. When he entitled his 1963 memoir See Le Mie Gioie Terribili (My Terrible Joys), everyone who knew him was well aware to what the title referred.

Inevitably, the six-cylinder engine was dubbed the "Dino V6." An unusual 65° configuration (wider than the ideal 60°, to allow a more efficient angle for the intake valves), the little V6 initially displaced only 1,489 cc (91 cu. in.). It got its first taste of competition at the Grand Prix di Napoli in April 1957, coming in third. Variations of the engine subsequently earned an impressive competition pedigree. Notably, a bigger, 2.4 L (150 cu. in.) version of the V6 powered Ferrari's first mid-engine sports-racer, the 1961 246 SP.

MID-ENGINE FERRARIS

The 1960s saw a substantial shift in sports-car design philosophy, away from front-engine designs toward mid-engine layouts. A mid-engine car places the engine behind the driver, but ahead of the rear axle. (Technically "mid-engine" simply that the engine's center of gravity is between the axles, so there are both front-mid-engine (FM) and rear-mid-engine (RM) designs; nevertheless, the term most commonly describes a "RM" layout.) Mid-engine configurations improve handling by moving the mass of the engine closer to the car's center of gravity, reducing its polar moment of inertia; this makes the car easier to maneuver and gives sharper turn-in response. It can also allow the car's body to be shorter and lighter, and the improved weight distribution helps both acceleration and braking.

Enzo Ferrari was resistant to the trend for a long time, but by 1960, it was clear that mid-engine design was the way of the future. By 1961, Ferrari had introduced its first mid-engine racing models. Nevertheless, Enzo remained exceedingly resistant to offering mid-engine street cars, despite considerable pressure from his own engineers and colleagues like stylist Sergio Pininfarina. According to Pininfarina, Ferrari considered mid-engined cars too dangerous for his non-racing customers. His concerns about safety were not purely humanitarian; Ferrari had actually been charged with manslaughter after a Ferrari driven by Count Alfonso de Portago crashed during the 1957 Mille Miglia, killing Portago, his navigator, and ten spectators, five of them children. The ensuing legal battle had dragged on for more than four years, earning Ferrari considerable bad publicity.

In any case, Ferrari built street cars only grudgingly. Racing was Enzo's great passion, the object of an almost religious devotion. The only reason he deigned to make road cars in the first place was that he was persuaded (again, by Luigi Chinetti, who subsequently became Ferrari's principal U.S. distributor) that selling street cars would help to underwrite the costs of racing. Furthermore, racing's officiating bodies periodically set homologation requirements for various classes, requiring that a certain number of copies of a car be offered for public sale before the racing version was permitted to compete. Enzo always felt that such requirements were, as the saying goes, more honored in the breach than the observance, but occasionally, he had no choice.

THE FIAT DINO

In the mid-1960s, the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) set new homologation rules for the 1967 Formula 2 series. For a race car to qualify for Formula 2, at least 500 copies of the engine had to be sold prior to the start of the series. This requirement was a difficult proposition for Ferrari; the company's street-car production was usually numbered in the dozens, not the hundreds. Undaunted, in late 1964 Ferrari approached Italian automaker Fiat and made a deal with its new president, Gianni Agnelli, to mass-produce an updated version of the V6. The engine would be shared by both a new Fiat sports car and a new Ferrari model -- Ferrari's first mid-engine street car. Both would be called "Dino."

Ferrari Dino 308GT4 Dino badge
This badge first appeared on the Fiat Dino Spider in late 1966, and it disappeared after May 1976, although there have been occasional rumors that Ferrari may revive it in some form.

By 1965, Enzo had finally, reluctantly relented to the demands for a mid-engine street car. The fact that Lamborghini was about to dazzle the world with the mid-engine Miura may have had something to do with it; Ferrari may not have cared much about street cars, but being one-upped by a rival was another matter. Ferrari decided, however, that the mid-engine car should be a Dino, not a Ferrari. It was a classic Enzo ploy, assuaging his ego by letting him reverse himself without seeming to reverse himself, and allowing him to make a great show of honoring his late son's name, while protecting his own from any negative reactions to the new car.

Pininfarina showed Dino 206 show cars at the Paris show in late 1965 and at Turin in 1966, but these were essentially new bodies on the chassis of the earlier mid-engine sport-racer prototypes, nowhere near ready for production. A more definitive prototype appeared at the 1967 Turin show, but the first Ferrari-built Dino 206 GT didn't go on sale until 1968. Fortunately for Ferrari's Formula 2 plans, the Fiat Dino Spider (also styled by Pininfarina) went on sale in late 1966. It was followed in the spring of 1967 by the bigger, four-seat Fiat Dino Coupe, this one styled by Bertone. Both were popular enough to more than enough to meet the homologation requirements for the engine; Fiat sold 7,651 Fiat Dinos between 1967 and 1972.

FERRARI'S DINO

Ferrari's Dino 206 GT used the same 1,987 cc (122 cu. in.) V6 as the Fiat cars, although it was rated at 180 horsepower (132 kW), rather than the 160 horsepower (117 kW) of the Fiat Dinos. Unlike the earlier prototypes, which had longitudinal (north-south) engines ahead of the rear axle, the production 206 GT's engine was transversely (east-west) mounted, sitting on top of the transaxle and driving it through a series of spur gears. To keep the engine's center of gravity as low as possible, the top of the transaxle case actually formed the engine's sump. All of this made the powertrain far more compact than the earlier efforts, important for a small car with a wheelbase of only 89.7 inches (2,278 mm).

The 2.0 L V6 proved to be less than reliable in civilian hands, with problems with low oil pressure, vapor lock, and plug fouling. In 1969, its displacement was expanded to 2,418 cc (148 cu. in.), and the aluminum block was recast in iron. The 2.4 L engine had more torque than the 2.0 L, making it easier to drive on the street. It was also more durable and cheaper to build, although it was somewhat heavier. Power rose to 180 horsepower (132 kW) for the Fiat version, 195 hp (145 kW) for the Dino, which was renamed Dino 246 GT.

Although cheaper than any contemporary Ferrari, the Dino 246 GT was a very expensive car -- over $14,000, which was around 50% more than the hottest contemporary 911. On the other hand, the new Ferrari flagship, the 365 GTB4 Daytona, cost twenty grand in the States, so the Dino was at least somewhat more attainable. Of course, the Dino had virtues beyond its price. Not only was it fast -- 0-60 mph (0-97 kph) in less than 7 seconds, a top speed of around 150 mph (240 kph) -- it was nimble in a way the bulky, front-engine Daytona couldn't match. It was also beautiful, a virtual archetype of the modern sports car. Unsurprisingly, it sold very well by Ferrari standards, with some 3,700 built before production ended in 1974. A few purists sniffed that nothing with only six cylinders could be a 'true' Ferrari, but the Dino 246 is widely considered a classic.

Ferrari Dino 246 GTS
A Dino 246 GTS (photographed outside the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in 2005) shows off its classic lines. The GTS, introduced in March 1972, was as close as Ferrari came to producing a Dino convertible; it had a lift-off roof, à la Porsche 911 Targa or the Porsche 914. 1,274 were sold in only two years, roughly a third of total production. (Photo © 2005 Dan Smith; used under a Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 2.0 license)

STILO BERTONE

It was almost inevitable, then, that the 246's replacement, the Dino 308 GT4, would be seen as a retrograde step. Introduced in October 1973 at the Paris show, it was less compelling in almost every way than the 246 GT it replaced.

There are a number of theories as to why the 308 GT4 ended up the way it did, but many blame the influence of Fiat. The Dino project had been a kind of courtship between Enzo Ferrari and Gianni Agnelli; in 1969 they announced that Fiat had purchased a 40% interest in Ferrari. Enzo would retain 49% until his death, with an additional 1% given to Pininfarina. (Notably omitted from the press releases was the fact that the remaining 10% was granted to Piero Ferrari, Enzo's illegitimate son with his mistress, Lina Lardi, whom Enzo did not acknowledge until after his wife's death in 1978.) Ferrari had been shopping for a partner since the beginning of the decade. He had actually entered serious negotiations with Ford in 1963, although that deal had collapsed acrimoniously. The Fiat deal was more to Enzo's liking, leaving him in control of the company's racing efforts, but allowed him to step back even further from the road cars, which by most accounts he never really cared much about.

On the face of it, the blame-Fiat theory makes sense, because the new Dino, dubbed 308 GT4, had all the overtones of corporate decision-making. Where the 246 GT had been a pure two-seater (and a cramped one, at that), the 308 GT4 was a 2+2, stretched more than seven inches in wheelbase to make room for a pair of tiny "occasional" rear seats. The logic was presumably that a 2+2 would sell better than a two-seat coupe. It's difficult to envision Enzo caring a whit for such considerations, so it may well have been a dictate from Fiat.

Still, both Piero Ferrari and Marcello Gandini, who styled the 308 GT4, have claimed that Enzo took a great interest in the development of the new Dino. They also say that he was solely responsible for the second controversial decision: assigning the styling of the new car not to Pininfarina, but to Carrozzeria Bertone. Bertone had built Ferraris before, but not in nearly twenty years. Piero says that Enzo was pleased with the styling Bertone had produced for the Fiat Dino Coupe, and thought Bertone would also be an appropriate choice for the 2+2 308 GT4. Even if that were true, it would still have been a curious decision, since Bertone was strongly associated with Lamborghini. Marcello Gandini had recently penned the spectacular Lamborghini Countach, and some historians have even alleged that his design for the 308 GT4 was a previously rejected Lamborghini concept.

1975 Dino 308GT4 front 3q view
A U.S.-spec 308 GT4 is 176.7 inches (4,488 mm) long on a 100.3-inch (2,548-mm) wheelbase, but even though that makes it a bit longer than most sixties Ferraris, it looks shorter, a function of the awkward proportions of the 2+2 cabin. The rear seat might hold one adult, seated sideways, for a very short trip, but it would have to be raining pretty hard to make it worth the effort.

Lamborghini Urraco side view
The 308 GT4's shape bears a decided resemblance to its contemporary and principal rival, the Lamborghini Urraco -- no surprise, since both cars have the same configuration (mid-engine, transverse V8, 2+2), and both were styled by Bertone's Marcello Gandini at around the same time! The Urraco was intended to be Lamborghini's entry-level model, but it was a commercial failure, selling just under 800 units in eight years of production. It is arguably a better-looking car than the 308 GT4. (Photo © 1976 Charles01; released to the public domain by the photographer)

Under the skin, the 308 GT4 was essentially a stretched version of the earlier Dinos, also with a transverse, mid-mounted engine. It had a tubular steel chassis, welded to steel body panels; American models had heavier bracing front and rear to meet U.S. safety standards. Bigger than the 246 GT, the 308 GT4 was inevitably heavier, weighing nearly 3,000 pounds (1,330 kg) in European trim. Cars bound for the U.S. weighed about 300 pounds (135 kg) more than that, thanks to their bulky and not terribly attractive 5-mph (8-kph) bumpers. The extra bulk was hardly compensated by the rear seat, which was a torture chamber for anyone bigger than an eight year-old. It was more helpful as a place to stash a briefcase or a picnic basket, although the new car also boasted a reasonably sized trunk behind the engine compartment.

SIDEWINDER EIGHT

The big news is that the Dino V6 was gone, replaced by a new 90° V8. Ferrari had used V8s in racing before, but this was its first production eight. The V8 displaced 2,926 cc (179 cu. in.), although Ferrari preferred to round up to a full 3.0 liters. Like the V6, it had two overhead camshafts for each cylinder bank, although the cams were now driven by rubber timing belts, rather than chains. With four dual-throat Webers, the European engine claimed 250 horsepower (184 kW) at a lofty 7,700 rpm; the smog-controlled U.S. version rated 240 horsepower (179 kW).

1975 Dino 308GT4 engine bay
The greatest virtue (and most enduring feature) of the 308 GT4 is its V8 engine, which led to a long line of Ferrari V8s, including today's F430. It sits relatively high because it's mounted atop the transaxle, whose case actually forms the V8's sump. The inartistic lump of an air cleaner hides four Weber 40DCN two-throat carburetors.

Despite the extra weight, the V8 made the 308 GT4 about as fast as its predecessor. It was capable of 0-60 mph (0-97 kph) in about 6.5 seconds, with a top speed of over 150 mph (240 kph). Its handling was appropriately adroit, although the suspension was tuned for understeer, sacrificing some of the 246 GT's agility to make the 308 less prone to rotating its tail at the limit. Lifting the throttle in a tight turn on slippery surfaces could still make it spin, but it took considerable effort. As a further safeguard against oversteer, steering lock was very limited, which made maneuvering in tight spaces frustrating.

1975 Dino 308GT4 front view
U.S. 308 GT4s had huge, awkward-looking bumpers, mandated by federal safety requirements. European models were spared this visual indignity, but curiously did not have outside mirrors until the introduction of the mildly revived Series II cars in mid-1975 -- federalization wasn't all bad. The grille on the aluminum hood feeds air into the radiator, which is mounted in front, despite the fact that the engine is behind the cabin. Having coolant lines running under, around, or through the cabin tends to make mid-engine cars uncomfortably warm in hot weather.

The U.S. version, heavier and less powerful, naturally was somewhat slower than the European cars. In June 1975, Car and Driver's Patrick Bedard achieved 0-60 mph (0-97 kph) in seven seconds with a 1975 model like our photo car, running the quarter mile (402 meters) in 15.4 seconds at just over 90 mph (146 kph). That was decent for a smog-era car, but Bedard warned that the Dino was no match for the meaner Corvettes and Porsches, advising buyers to avoid stoplight confrontations and rely on their looks to get by.

Unfortunately, Dino 308 GT4 owners couldn't be any more confident of winning a beauty contest than they could a drag race. Compared to the more graceful Pininfarina Ferraris, even the somewhat brutish Daytona, its styling was severe. Trying to cram a 2+2 cabin into a mid-engine sports car rarely ever looks very good -- the raison d'être of mid-engine layouts is to keep the front and rear overhangs as short as possible, which makes the bigger cabin of a 2+2 look stubby and chunky. Mostly, though, the fault was with stylist Marcello Gandini and his fascination with wedge shapes. The 308 GT4's sharply creased lines and slab sides also gave it none of the voluptuous surface detail of Pininfarina's best efforts. The result was an awkwardly proportioned car, with little to draw the eye.

1975 Dino 308GT4 rear 3q view
The "flying buttress" roof pillars were almost a cliché of sixties and seventies sports cars, found on everything from the Maserati Merak to the 1968 Dodge Charger. Aft of the engine compartment is a trunk, which is actually large enough for a golf bag or two, an unusual feature for a mid-engine sports car.

THE FORGOTTEN FERRARI

European response to the 308 GT4 was frosty. It fared somewhat better in the States, simply because for a time, it was the only new Ferrari model certified for sale in the U.S. The Daytona was gone by time it bowed, and Ferrari never bothered to federalize the fearsome 365 GT/4BB and 512BB "Berlinetta Boxers" (the cars that finally put paid to Enzo's hesitation about offering a 12-cylinder mid-engine road car). The painful spectacle of Ferrari dealers with no actual Ferraris to sell was probably the major reason that, in July 1975, the factory started adding the Ferrari badge and cavallino emblem to the 308 GT4.

The unloved 2+2 was thoroughly upstaged by the new two-seat car, the 308 GTB, which debuted at the 1975 Paris show. Styled by Pininfarina, the GTB was about the same size as Bertone's 2+2, but it had infinitely better proportions. It was as pretty and sensual as the 308 GT4 was severe, and its shape survived well into the eighties. (Its lift-roof GTS version also became the world's most recognizable Ferrari model, thanks to its starring role on the popular TV series Magnum, P.I.) Tellingly, the production 308 GTB never wore the Dino badge, which was abandoned completely in May 1976.

In Europe, the 308 GT4 was supplemented from 1975 by a 208 GT4 model, with a 1,991 cc (122 cu. in.) version of the V8 that put the car in a more favorable tax bracket. The 208 GT4 had 180 horsepower, and could run 0-60 mph (0-97 kph) in about 8.5 seconds, with a top speed of around 135 mph (217 kph). About 800 were sold in total, most of them in Italy.

Ferrari Dino 308GT4 intake duct
The air intake ducts behind the rear quarter windows are functional, but they manage to seem both fussy and stark -- the way the intake is cut into the C-pillar is distracting, but the duct itself is an empty hole. The right-side duct channels air into the carburetors, the left into the oil cooler.

You might expect that the debut of the far more popular 308 GTB would have meant the end of the line for the 308 GT4, but it lingered on for several more years. Apparently, someone (probably the Fiat management) thought Ferrari should have at least one "affordable" 2+2 -- another indication, like the unceremonious cancellation of the Dino brand, that Enzo Ferrari was no longer paying much attention to passenger-car production (if, indeed, he ever had). In 1978, the engines were detuned for emissions purposes, dropping to 230 hp in Europe and 205 in the U.S. Otherwise, the cars otherwise continued almost unchanged until December 1980. Total production was 2,826, which was still enough to make it one of the best-selling models in Ferrari's history. It was replaced by the Mondial 8.

1975 Dino 308GT4 dashboard
The interior of the 308 GT4 is businesslike, but far from beautiful. Vital controls are mostly close at hand, but the radio is mounted sideways in the center console, ahead of the shifter. It's difficult to reach for either passenger, particularly since the 308 GT4's seat belts did not have inertia reels. Curiously, the dash has gauges for oil pressure, oil temperature, and water temperature, but it doesn't have either an ammeter or a voltmeter, which, in a Ferrari of this vintage, would've been a useful addition.

The 308 GT4 was not a bad car, at least by the questionable standards of mid-seventies sports cars, but it had the same weaknesses as any other Ferrari (spotty build quality, limited practicality, a choppy ride, horrible fuel economy, exorbitant repair and maintenance costs), without their redeeming virtues (blazing speed, badge snobbery, fabulous looks). The latter was the real killer; if it had been as gorgeous as the 246 GT, history would happily overlook everything else. The 308 GT4 certainly looked exotic; it just didn't look like a Ferrari. If you didn't know better, you could mistake it for a Lamborghini Urraco, or even the significantly cheaper De Tomaso Pantera -- not a thought to warm the hearts of a Ferrariste laying out big money for Maranello's latest. As a result, it is not particularly desirable to modern collectors.

Your author, ever one for the perverse, finds something oddly appealing about the 308 GT4's redheaded-stepchild status -- it's the least-adored scion of perhaps the world's most revered automotive family. On the other hand, it must be said that we would also be amused by the idea of making a hot rod out of a Checker Marathon, for similar reasons. As a notable oddball, the 308 GT4 scores highly, but in other respects, the last Dino remains a hard car to love.
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NOTES ON SOURCES

Our principal sources for this article were "Ferrari 308 GT4" by the Auto Editors of Consumer Guide (7 May 2007, HowStuffWorks.com, http://auto.howstuffworks. com/ ferrari-308-gt4.htm, accessed 3 September 2008) and Pete Lyons and the Auto Editors of Consumer Guide, Ferrari: The Man and His Machines (Lincolnwood, IL: Publications International, Ltd., 1989). Information on the Fiat Dino came from "Fiat Dino: a poor man's Ferrari" by André Ritzinger (original date unknown, RitzSite, http://www.ritzsite.nl/Fiat_Dino/01_Fiat_Dino.htm, accessed 3 September 2008). Background on Enzo Ferrari himself came from Brock Yates, Enzo Ferrari: The Man, The Cars, The Races, The Machine (New York: Doubleday, 1991). Details on the 208 GT4 came from the Cars from Italy pages "Ferrari 208" (2008, CarsFromItaly, http://www.carsfromitaly.net/ferrari/f_208.html, accessed 3 September 2008) and "Ferrari 308" (2008, CarsFromItaly, http://www.carsfromitaly.net/ferrari/f_308.html, accessed 3 2008); the Ferrari GT4 Wikipedia® page (http://en.wikipedia. org/ wiki/Ferrari_GT4, accessed 3 September 2008); and Mark Wan, "Ferrari 308GT4 (1973)" (no date, AutoZine.org, http://www.autozine. org/ Archive/Ferrari/classic/308GT4.html, accessed 1 September 2008).

Road tests consulted for this article included Patrick Bedard, "Fantasy Cars for Everyman," Car and Driver, June 1975, reprinted in R.M. Clarke, ed., Car and Driver on Ferrari (Cobham, Surrey: Brooklands Books, Ltd., 1985), pp. 91-95; Paul Frère, "Dino 308 GT4," Road & Track, September 1974; "Dinos: Is newer better?" Autocar, 16 August 1975; "Ferrari Dino 308gt4," Road Test, March 1976; and "Autotest: Ferrari Dino 308GT4 2+2," Autocar, 13 March 1976, all of which are reprinted in R.M. Clarke, ed., Ferrari Dino 308, 1974-79 (Brooklands Road Tests) (Cobham, Surrey: Brooklands Books, 1982).

 
Comments (19)
  • steven senior

    its time to change your thoughts about the gt4,its gaining steadily in popularity,and its one of the cheapest ferraris to service and maintain,and it does not rust as bad as some of the other seventies tin

  • Administrator
    Quote:
    its one of the cheapest ferraris to service and maintain,and it does not rust as bad as some of the other seventies tin

    That may be, but it wouldn't be saying much on either count, really.

    It's not that it's without virtue, but, like the Porsche 914, Jaguar XJ-S, or Lotus Elite, I have a hard time seeing it ever being as desirable as, say, a 275GTB/4 or an E-type. Its biggest selling point is that it's one of the cheapest ways to be able to say you own a Ferrari, but I would still expect Daytona owners to turn up their noses at it.

  • greg berlin

    who cares ??

  • Colin Gorman  - 308 GT4

    In 1981 as a young 22 year old with more money than sense residing in England I purchased a 1978 model(RHD) in red(is there any other color?) with only 6000 miles on the clock,all I can remember about the car was horrendous insurance costs,phenominal service bills (for the time) just to get that Ferrari dealer stamp in the service book and try as I might I could not get those 4 twin choke webers to stay in tune)(british weather I guess),it was the most frustrating,most fun I have ever had with a sports car

  • Minico  - GT4 Real !

    It has the sound,looks and feel of a real Ferrari that puts a smile on any REAL "tifosi" It a '75 that after 34 years still screams Ferrari when the pedal hits the floor. The styling today is looked upon as vintage 70's and with very few still in existence(only 2826 built) it will be sought after as it's the 1st V8 Ferrari. Time will tell....I drive mine as often as possible...thats what Enzo would have wanted!! No Garage Queens!!!

  • Administrator

    I don't know that I agree that it will be sought after, but I definitely agree that its great virtue is that its owners are more likely to drive it and drive it hard. In that way, it's much like the Porsche 914; the 914 is often derided for not being a true Porsche, but its modest values make it far more likely to be driven like a true Porsche than a contemporary Carrera or 930.

  • Andy

    I have to agree that this is certainly a driver's car. Good examples can be purchased for under $30,000. For the price of a new Camry, I would much much rather be driving a beautiful classic Ferrari. If I were to buy a 308, there is no doubt I would drive it every day. And I would drive it hard. That's just my two cents though.

  • Theron Rust

    As an owner of a 1975 Dino 308gt4, I can truly state that this little Ferrari does everything asked with much more return. My Dino is the earliest numbered Series 1 in th U.S. It has the high lift cams, aluminum and fiberglass body, only weighs 1983 pounds. Red, Loud and Fast. I have been clocked 0 to 60 in 3.8 seconds, 0 to 100 in 8.4 seconds and topped at 167 MPH. Certified by Police radar! Trophies regularly at local shows and always attracts attention. Velour interior is much easier to maintain and far more comfortable than the 1970's Italian lether. this one was purchased in Holland and came to the U.S. in 1982. It now has 42,500 miles on the clock (68,000 kilometers to be more specific. I will be retiring soon, so it is currently for sale - asking $39,950. It has been appraised at $53,000 due to its classic value. Only 10 series 1 Dinos are registered in th U.S. according to the Ferrari Dino Registry.

  • MF  - Theron Rust's 308GT4

    Hello sir. Is the car still available? Thanks.

  • Administrator

    To my knowledge, it was not for sale when I photographed it, and I have no way of contacting the owner -- sorry.

  • Theron Rust

    Yes, the Dino is still available. This is a Series 1 Dino which is the best model. Lighter weight and high lift cams that the future ones do not have. only 76 Series 1 Dino's were build. 33 European models of which this is one. It was purchased in Holland in February, 1975 and came to th U>S in 1982. Stored for 10 years - driven only a few kilometers and then sold in 1992 to another Doctor. I purchased it in 1998 and have enjoyed every minute for shows, rallies and just ddriviing fun. I have all books, factory workshop manual, service manual, owner's manual and original sales brochure plus all the trophies I fired it up this week just to keep the fluids fresh. Started on first turn of the key as always. I do have a pending offer that includes a trade, but I am not sure I want to go that route. I don't need a pickup truck! Let me know if you need more info or have questions. I have had it appraised and it is valued at $58,000. A similar Dino sold at auction in Houston last April for $94,800! Thanks for your interest.

  • Freddie George  - 1975 308GT4

    Would present owner please contact me at Carrotsucker999 (at) AOL (dot) com so we may be able to exchange information on date car/s were actually made. Thank you. Freddie George.
    (Reference when owned by Theron Rust.)

  • lance Valente  - 1975 Dino 308 gt4

    Is your car still for sale os of 07/21/2012 or have you already sold it and did you get AC with the european model?Thank you in advance.
    Lance Valente
    619-222-6020

  • phoenix00

    Great article (and great website as well!)

    Speaking of which, can you dig a little bit deeper into Alejandro de Tomaso? Perhaps as part of a piece on the Pantera? He seems to be yet another oddball, and is very much in the spirit of AUWM.

    Nevertheless can't wait for the next article, whatever the subject may be!

  • David Matroud  - Another Great One

    Great Article

    I read with great interest the history of the American cars, pre 1980's.

    I don't know if other car periods interest you, but enough dust has settled to read about other car periods, like the 90's and the early 2000's.

    I loved the article about the Lexus LS and the Cadillac Allante and would love to read about oddball cars like the Aston Martin Lagonda, Lamborghini Countach or some blink and you missed it brands like Isuzu.

    Although not a fan of Hyundai, I would love your take on how they turned things around and started making good cars for a change.

    Looking forward to reading more. I've read almost everything you've written.

  • Administrator

    The Lagonda is a likely choice, if I ever get enough photos. (Interestingly, I did see one in the wild not terribly far from where I live, although I wasn't able to get pictures of it that night.) It certainly qualifies as interesting, both for its over-the-top seventies futurism and the many travails of Aston itself.

    At the moment, I'm not as inclined to do cars that originated after about 1990 (although naturally there are some that began before that point that continued into the nineties and beyond). The problem is that it becomes increasingly difficult to sort out the history from the press releases, if you see what I mean. From a site branding standpoint, it would also tend to overlap a lot with consumer used car review sites, which isn't really where I want to be. I can't provide used car valuation or tell people the best place to get a new radiator, but that's what a lot of users would undoubtedly come looking for. I may make some exceptions (I'd do the Subaru SVX, for instance), but that's my general thinking.

    In fairness to Isuzu, while their passenger cars haven't been vastly successful overseas, they're not exactly a flash in the pan -- they've been around since World War 1, and they've been a mainstay of the commercial truck market for decades. You can't win all the time, I suppose!

  • David Matroud  - Lagonda

    Hi there

    I had read about the Lagonda on a few sites after reading a Time Magazine List of 50 worst cars ever made. I would love to have one for the shock appeal.
    I read somewhere on the site that you are very stringent about pictures, either your own pics or with explicit permission and hope it hasn't limited us from reading about some very interesting cars.

    Keep up the good work,
    David

  • Ryan

    Hey, thanks for discussing this car. I think we talked about it before. I think I liked it because it was such an oddball, but now I see it's just a dumbed-down Urraco.

  • greg berlin  - great!!

    NOBODY in last 35 years ever stoped to praise,salute,hail to the lil bambino its there loss and a grave mistake to not appriciate this cars for what they are not if it was a f50 attitude!!!long live this gt4.

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